Chaminade vs. St. Anthony's--Print Version

Chaminade and St. Anthony’s High Schools, both parochial institutions founded by different orders of the Roman Catholic Church, have engaged in a highly competitive rivalry in the field of athletics since the 1970s. While the level of competition is high in all sports, it is in football and boys lacrosse that the intensity is brought out the most.

“Lacrosse and football are the biggest battles the schools have,” said Chris Vaccaro, a writer for the Daily News who has worked on the Island’s high school sports scene for a number of years. “The lacrosse battles are nationally recognized because lacrosse is such a hot bed on Long Island. Football is good because they always have two of the best teams around, especially St. Anthony’s, who wins the title just about every year.”

The early stages of the duel saw competition between the two. However, it “took on a life of its own,” as St. Anthony’s lacrosse head coach Keith Wieczorek puts it, in the late 1980s during lacrosse season. Since 1987, the schools have combined for a whopping 21 league championships, blowing the competition out of the water in the process.

Since then, Long Islanders have taken notice of the rivalry, and often fill the seats when the [Chaminade] Flyers and [St. Anthony’s] Friars get together to compete. Of course, the spectators are largely those who either currently have or previously had an affiliation with either institution.

“The kids are definitely excited about the game, and you got alumni and family of past players that have a buzz about the game,” said Wieczorek, who graduated from St. Anthony’s in 1986. “It’s one of those games that get circled early in the year by a lot of people that are no longer involved in the program, but are still aware of it.”

On the football field, the schools each have 10 Catholic High School Football League championships under their belt. Most recently, St. Anthony’s has won their seventh consecutive title this past fall. Included in this string of success is a 2002 championship victory over the Flyers by a 34-32 score, a testament to how competitive these schools are when it comes to athletics.

Unlike their lacrosse counterparts, though, the football squad expects competition from the other teams because of the strong balance between all members of the CHSFL.

“I think in football, it’s just two good football teams,” said Chaminade head football coach Bill Basel. “It’s a little different in lacrosse because the balance in their league is not quite; it’s primarily Chaminade and St. Anthony’s as two dominant schools in lacrosse.”

The two schools have been able to reap the benefits as a result of the rivalry. Chaminade has sent two of its football players to the National Football League, one of whom is Stephen Boyd, currently a strength and conditioning/linebackers coach for the Flyers. St. Anthony’s, meanwhile, has seen some of its players come close to the glory of the NFL, most recently Joe Villani, who was cut by the Jets last season. Also, the South Huntington-based school’s athletic program was recognized in 2007 with a significant honor.

“We were contacted by Sports Illustrated. They had heard about our athletic program and asked us to come up with a list of statistics that we had done over the past 10 years,” said Don Buckley, Athletic Director of St. Anthony’s. “It was the most dominant athletic program in New York State for the past 10 years in all sports.”

Although this rivalry is intense in every way, it is one with friendly relations between both sides. For one thing, as parochial schools and members of the Nassau-Suffolk Catholic High School Athletic Association, Chaminade and St. Anthony’s are expected to uphold a level of conduct with a strict emphasis on character and sportsmanship for its athletes and students. Another factor is that the student-athletes in both schools come from all throughout Long Island and have known each other outside of the confines through club teams and other activities. These factors explain why a rivalry such as this can be so powerful yet not get out of hand.

“There is a mutual respect there. You really don’t see any nonsense out there,” said Buckley. “There are not any fights that go on and that kind of stuff. Every once in a while there may be a penalty flag thrown, but the kid spends his minute on the sideline or gets taken out by a coach, settles down and gets back out there to continue play.”

Recently, on April 3^rd, the schools met for a lacrosse battle in Mineola. Chaminade came out the victors 7-6 on a last-minute goal to win the game. Judging by the intensity of today’s teams and the schools’ noteworthy histories, do not expect this rivalry to let up anytime in the future.

“It’s not hard to get excited about playing Chaminade,” said Rich Reichert, St. Anthony’s head football coach. “It’s just a fun game.”

Transcript of Richard Adragna’s Interview with Bill Basel

Interview with Bill Basel, Head Coach of Chaminade High School Football program. Mr. Basel (Class of 1958) has been the head coach of his alma mater’s varsity program for 22 years and the head coach of the junior varsity program for 18 years.

1) Can you tell me about the rivalry between your school and St. Anthony’s from a coach’s point of view?

Basel: I think, in football, the rivalry is simply two good football teams. The league that we play in, the Catholic High School Football League, is really well-balanced. There are so many outstanding football teams. I think the rivalry, Chaminade-St. Anthony’s, is more in sports like lacrosse, maybe basketball. I think lacrosse has been a great one. I think in football, it’s just two good football teams, two good schools, two good programs. The rivalry is just that I think that’s the way it’s looked like in football. It’s a little different in lacrosse because the balance in their league is not quite; it’s primarily Chaminade and St. Anthony’s as two dominant schools in lacrosse. But it’s a natural rivalry because we’re two Catholic high schools in Long Island, even though we’re all-boys and they’re coed. There are a lot of guys who maybe have sisters that go to St. Anthony’s and they know each other from playing in the off-seasons and things like that. It’s a great rivalry; one where both programs respect each other and the coaching that the kids see on both sides, not only from St. Anthony’s but from Chaminade, is outstanding.

2) What does this kind of rivalry mean to these players?

Basel: I think it’s not so much that any time we play St. Anthony’s that the whole season hinges on that particular game. What happens is that both sides bring their level of play up a notch. Because they know the type of intensity the game will be, it just makes for an outstanding game, no matter what it is. No matter what sport, they go at each other on the field or in the gym or whatever.

3) With this rivalry, is preparing for a team like St. Anthony’s any different than preparing for all of the other teams you face? If so, what’s the preparation like in that case?

Basel: In the Catholic High School Football League, there is such a balance of the people that you play and the caliber of football, that we would prepare for St. Anthony’s just like we would prepare for anybody else. The practice week ahead that we would prepare for Anthony’s would be the same as we would for anybody else because of the caliber of play that we face week-in and week-out. There’s really no easy game, and I’m talking football, there’s really no easy opponent in the league, so that you’d prepare for them just like anybody else.

4) In your years as a varsity football coach, what were some of the more memorable games that jump out at you from this rivalry?

Basel: I think over the last few years, St. Anthony’s has had some outstanding programs. They’ve won the Catholic League the last seven years in a row. We’ve had some very good games, some tight games. A game that comes to mind is the championship game a few years ago. We lost 34-32 and the championship to them. That’s what the rivalry has been about. Unfortunately for us, and fortunately for them, they’ve gotten the better of us for years. The games have been close, the games have been intense, they’re hard-fought clean games, and the competition’s been terrific. That was in 2003 maybe or 2004.

5) With all of the success that St. Anthony’s has had, you as a rival must be feeling a little frustrated about that. Do you kind of feel that way?

Basel: I don’t know if it’s frustration. It’s more like you go with what you have, you prepare as best you can, and as long as the kids play to their maximum, you’re happy with that. Anytime we play St. Anthony’s, our kids have performed as best they could. There have been some years they’ve had better athletes. To their credits, their athletes have performed the way they should.

6) You’ve had alumni football players, one of them was in the NFL for a brief period, if I recall.

Basel: Correct. That was J.P. Foschi, who played for the Oakland Raiders.

7) I think there was someone who played for the Detroit Lions.

Basel: That’s one of our coaches. Coach Stephen Boyd is our strength and conditioning coach and our linebackers coach on the varsity. He played for the Lions for seven years.

8) With alumni like that, how do they remember the rivalry and see it from an alum’s point of view?

Basel: I think they all look at it as after they graduate, they come back for the games, and obviously they’re rooting for Chaminade to win the games when we do play them. As I said from a coaching standpoint, it’s a great rivalry where kids respect each other and coaches respect each other. The games are very well-played on both sides of the ball.

9) With the respect you have for St. Anthony’s, there is really no bad blood I assume.

Basel: There’s really no bad blood between the two schools, I think it’s just a mutual respect for each other because the kids know each other. They play on teams outside of the season. Some of them are from the same towns because our kids and Anthony’s kids come from all over; they just don’t come from Mineola and South Huntington. There is a mutual respect I think on both sides.

Transcript of Richard Adragna’s Interview with Rich Reichert

Interview with Rich Reichert, Head Coach of St. Anthony’s Football Program. Mr. Reichert (Class of 1970) has coached his alma mater for 22 years.

1) From an alumni’s perspective, how do you see this rivalry?

Reichert: It’s always been a great rivalry. It’s two Long Island schools. Back when I was at St. Anthony’s, were an all-boys school just like Chaminade. The rivalry just continued all the way through the years I’ve been here.

2) How would you look at it from a coach’s perspective?

Reichert: It’s not hard to get excited about playing Chaminade. They’re a great football program. All the coaches in both schools know each other. It’s just a fun game.

3) When coaching these players, how much does this rivalry mean to them?

Reichert: Like I said, it’s not hard to get our kids up to play Chaminade. A lot of kids know each other from different sports that they play and different clubs that they play on in the off-season. When kids know each other, the game gets all that much more intense.

4) In terms of preparing for this rivalry, is it any different than preparing for all of the other teams? If so, how is it different in this case?

Reichert: Well, we try to tell the kids that everything is one game at a time, so it really shouldn’t be that much of the different. But when we start the week of Chaminade, you can always tell the kids are a little more excited about playing that game.

5) In your years as a student and as a coach, what are some of the games that jump out at you as being the most memorable game you’ve seen?

Reichert: We’ve had some great games with them. We went for a two-point conversion in the semi-final game and got it. That put us into the championship. We had two great championship games with them, coming from a ten-point deficit in the third quarter and winning that game in ’94. Then we had a great game with them in 2002, with the 34-32 game. The games are always close and competitive and just a lot of fun to be around.

6) In speaking with Mr. Buckley, Coach Wieczorek, and Coach Basel over in Chaminade, it’s apparent that respect is the theme of this rivalry. There are really no hard feelings between everyone associated with the schools. What can you attest to this?

Reichert: I think that’s 100 percent accurate. Bill [Basel] and I actually became head coaches the same year back in 1987. He’s been very helpful to me in the beginning years and we started a friendship that’s developed over 22 years.

7) When I spoke to Coach Basel, there was a couple of [Chaminade] alumni that did play in the NFL for a number of years, including one who is now the linebackers coach for Chaminade, Stephen Boyd. Have there been any alumni that have had that kind of an impact?

Reichert: We’ve been real close as far as the NFL. We think we have one or two that are playing in college now that have a really good shot. In the past, Joe Villani was cut by the Jets last year, and Joe Minucci, our defensive line coach, was cut by the Saints in the last preseason game. He’s playing in the arena league with Cleveland.

Transcript of Richard Adragna’s Interview with Keith Wieczorek

Interview with Keith Wieczorek, Head Coach of St. Anthony’s Lacrosse Program. Mr. Wieczorek has been coaching at the school since 1991, both football and lacrosse. This is his 10^th season as varsity boys lacrosse coach. He graduated from St. Anthony’s in 1986. His two brothers also graduated from the school, one in 1979 and another in 1981.

1) From an alumni’s perspective, how much does this rivalry mean to you?

Wieczorek: It’s a huge rivalry. In the early ‘80s into the middle ‘80s, it was already a rivalry, but I think it took on a life of its own over the last 10 years, even more so than when I was here. During that time, the league was so strong top-to-bottom that other teams intermittently competed for the title there. I think it’s gotten a life of its own in lacrosse. I don’t know how many years we’ve been in the championship game with each other. I know in my 10 years and previous to that, well actually, one of my years we played against Holy Trinity in the final but nine other years was against Chaminade and previous to that most of them were Chaminade-St. Anthony games with the exception of I think Trinity in ’86. They knocked us off. It’s been a sustained rivalry now. It’s taken on a life of its own since I’m coaching more so than I was an alumni.

2) From the coaching perspective, how would you see this?

Wieczorek: I think it’s two programs and two schools that, if you look at them, are very, very similar to each other, to make up for their student body, with the exception of us having half a female population. I think it’s the same type of kid. I think it’s the same type of athlete, and the same type of lacrosse program. All our kids from both programs go on to play at great colleges, whether it be an academy, an Ivy League, or a strong Division III school. We have almost every one of my seniors and all of [Chaminade head lacrosse] Coach [Jack] Moran’s seniors over the last several years have gone on to play in college. Whether it’d be the college playoff weekend or on a Sunday morning looking at the box scores from college in the previous week, you can see a number of Chaminade and St. Anthony’s players peppered all over Division I, Division III, and some, even now, Division II rosters. It’s pretty neat to watch two schools so similar compete. When we get on the field I think no matter what team is having the better season or not, I think it’s always a battle of wills and each team brings out the best in the other.

3) Since this rivalry takes on a life of its own, especially in lacrosse, how much does this mean to your players?

Wieczorek: It means a lot. You always try to not to make more of one game than another, because especially since over the last several years we’ve played three [games] with them every year and it’s very difficult to play the same team three times. But it means a lot to them, they know. When we line up before a St. Anthony’s-Chaminade game, there’s a different look in their eye and they definitely have a different feel about them. It is that kind of rivalry where it brings out the best in both of us. They’ve had our number the last three years in the finals, but those games during the regular season were decided by a goal or two in all those years, even though in the final we came up short the last three times. Previous to that we had a pretty good success in the finals. I think we won four out of five previous to losing the last three, so it’s been back-and-forth the whole time. It definitely brings out the best in the kids. The kids are definitely excited about the game, and you got alumni and family of past players that have a buzz about the game. It’s one of those games that get circled early in the year by a lot of people that are no longer involved in the program, but are still aware of it. I get emails and phone calls about the game before and after.

4) In terms of coaching, is preparing for your biggest rivals in Chaminade any different than preparing for all of the other teams that you face? If so, what’s the preparation like in this case?

Wieczorek: I think the biggest difference would be the familiarity. I think coaching staffs know each other very well by now. I think we know what they like to do; they know what we like to do. There is a familiarity with the preparation, so you try to think from their perspective as you’re going into a game the things they’re going to try to do against us that we’ve seen them do over the last 10-12 years when we had different personnel. They’re a very gifted coaching staff over there; they match up very well as far as what kind of talent they have year in and year out to what we have. So, preparation-wise, you definitely do your homework. You try to scout them two or three times before you play. We try to see them against other opponents. You look at last year’s film. I wouldn’t say you prepare more, but there’s more of a familiarity or a sense of what you think the other is going to do leading up to that game.

5) Going back to the seniors on your team and Coach Moran’s team, you said that they went on to colleges with strong lacrosse programs. Have you ever recalled anyone that’s been in the professional ranks?

Wieczorek: I know Coach Moran’s son, Ryan, is still involved with one of the professional leagues. We have a kid that graduated in ’90 or ’91, Brian Langtry, who’s probably one of the best offensive players in the outdoor league still. Joe Yevoli played for several years since he’s out of college; he’s a St. Anthony’s kid. There’s a host of them out there, I’m not sure who in particular. I think Langtry’s still current. I think Ryan Moran’s still current. I think Peter Trombino from here plays. There are definitely some players out there that are still involved in those programs.

6) In your years, both as a student and as a coach, what would say are the games between these two teams that jump out to you as the most memorable you’ve seen?

Wieczorek: Previous to me, there was one six-overtime game at Denton Avenue in the early to mid-‘90s. I’m not sure if I was on the varsity or JV staff at the time. I think St. Anthony’s won in a six or eight overtime game. It was insane. I think just looking at the game scores over the last 10 years, the amount of one or two-goal games stand out. I think my first year we won a 5-4 or 4-3 championship game. Obviously that one sticks out because it was my first championship. We won a thriller over there last year 6-5, lost in overtime here 7-6, just this previous week it was another 7-6 game. That’s three out of the last four times we’ve played in one-goal games. I’m sure if I thought about it a little more or looked at scorebooks, I think some memories would be jogged on that. But as an assistant, I think I remember that multi-overtime game. As a coach, that first championship I won would probably stick out.

7) In speaking with Mr. Buckley and Coach Basel over in Chaminade, it seems as if respect is the central theme of the Chaminade-St. Anthony’s rivalry. They have a lot of respect for each other and there is no bad blood or any hard feelings between the teams. What can you attest about the theme of respect?

Wieczorek: There’s a ton of respect. I spoke to Coach Moran and one of his assistants either the day of or the day after our games. We always call, winner or loser calls, just to congratulate on the effort and go from there. I think we preach the same type of game sportsmanship and everything to our kids in both spots. A lot of these kids now play in summer programs together and summer leagues and some are on club teams. These kids also are friendly outside of our confines as far as lacrosse. I know in football now, a lot of these kids do tend to see each other off-season. There’s a healthy respect there. I think you want to beat each other’s brains in on the field, but I think there is a respect at the end of it where you tip the hat to the other team because they’re doing it the right way as well. Just leave it all out on the field. I think when they’re playing a non-league opponent, we root for them. When we’re playing a big non-league opponent, they root for us. I think we all want what’s best for the league. When we’re not playing each other, we root for the other team.

8) I read about, on insidelacrosse.com, that this rivalry was ranked the third best rivalry in the nation. What can you say about the national attention the rivalry has gotten?

Wieczorek: I think that’s something over the last 8-10 years that’s gotten even more with the Internet lacrosse age booming. I think there’s more attention to stats and numbers now. It’s neat. Whenever you’re mentioned in the same breath as Delbarton-Mountain Lakes or Garden City-Manhasset or whatever those other rivalries are, I think it’s pretty neat for the programs. I think it definitely shows when you look at the numbers over the long term. Like I’ve said before, the amount of kids and parents and alums that are two, four, five, 10, 15 years removed from it, but still circle that game on the calendar is a testament to just how true the rivalry is. I’d put it up against any. I can’t imagine any being more closely fought and competitive over that length of time. I think it’s pretty impressive when you look at the numbers.

Transcript of Richard Adragna’s Interview with Don Buckley

Interview with Don Buckley, Athletic Director of St. Anthony’s High School for 26 years (since 1982)

1) Can you tell me about the rivalry between Chaminade and St. Anthony’s from the perspective of the athletic director?

Buckley: I think it’s great. It’s great to have rivalries in any sport. The St. Anthony’s Chaminade rivalry goes back a number of years now. For a long time, we were just a small school, but we kept growing. As the years went by, we kept getting a little larger and a little larger. In 1984, we went from a school that had 800 boys to a school with 2,000. That’d be a thousand boys and a thousand girls, so things changed. The rivalry probably started getting in around 1970, and it’s continued since then.

2) I read online that Sports Illustrated named your athletic programs the best in the state of New York. Do you think you could elaborate on that?

Buckley: We were contacted by Sports Illustrated. They had heard about our athletic program and asked us to come up with a list of statistics that we had done over the past 10 years. It was the most dominant athletic program in New York State for the past 10 years, that’s all sports. It was a great honor and we thank Sports Illustrated for thinking of us.

3) Going back to the rivalry, how much does this kind of rivalry mean to the players and the coaches?

Buckley: We have rivalries with Chaminade, but we have rivalries with a lot of other teams also. What happens is, I believe, competition spurs competition. When I coached cross country, there were a couple of years there where St. Anthony’s and Chaminade were ranked in the top five in New York State and ranked nationally. Every time we lined up, the performances were just brought to another level. We just had a lacrosse game the other day with Chaminade and it was probably one of the finest games I’ve seen in a long, long time. Chaminade won by one, it was exciting, it was well-played, it was clean and not dirty, and it was clearly a game that both teams appreciated playing it because at the end, the kids knew that they had a good contest from both schools.

4) I was talking to some people at the game. They were saying that in this rivalry, in lacrosse at least, there are really no heavy favorites. When people say that there are no clear heavy favorites and it’s a hard-fought game, what does this say about this rivalry?

Buckley: It says that the kids respect one another an awful lot. It says that it brings out the best in everybody. They study one another, they know one another’s plays, they know what we’re all doing, and there are no secrets. We started lacrosse about 30 years ago and for the last twenty some odd years, it’s been St. Anthony’s and Chaminade in the finals. We tend to bring out the best in everybody. The kids work hard. They know one another off of the property, they grew up together, they went to the same grammar schools, and so many of the kids go on to the same colleges. They’ll be on college teams together and a lot of the guys work together in the years down the line. It’s just an exciting opportunity.

5) On the preparation for this kind of rivalry, is it any different than preparing for all the other teams? If so, what’s the preparation like in this case?

Buckley: I guess it all depends on the sport, like if we’re focusing in on lacrosse. This has been going on for some time now. It’s been going on since we started about 30 years ago and in the last 20 years. On any given year, one team may be better, but generally speaking they’re fairly equal. The preparation goes on years before. The kids look forward to the games and circle certain dates. Again, it’s not just St. Anthony’s and Chaminade. I know that’s what your purpose is and what you’re focusing on, but there are other contests and other sports up and down the line where there are different rivalries that we have.

6) In your years as an athletic director, what are some of those games in football and in lacrosse that jump out at you as more memorable?

Buckley: For me personally, the most memorable game was when my son was a senior and he was a starting goalie on the team and we won the championship. It was great, exciting, and it was right before graduation. That one really sticks out. We played a game one time, probably about two years after that. I’ll estimate it around 1996. It had gone into either seven or eight overtimes. In fact, as a result of that game, the national rules were changed as to how many overtimes you could do. I would say those two games really stand out in my head.

7) You talk about the respect between everyone involved in those two schools. It’s safe to say that there is no bad blood or any hard feelings between the team. Can you agree on that?

Buckley: Oh yeah, I don’t see that at all. I see it as both schools, as schools in our league, seeing all rivalries as good and healthy rivalries. There is a mutual respect there. You really don’t see any nonsense out there. There are not any fights that go on and that kind of stuff. Every once in a while there may be a penalty flag thrown, but the kid spends his minute on the sideline or gets taken out by a coach, settles down and gets back out there to continue play. All the teams in our league play very, very hard and they have a lot of respect for one another.

8) Going back to the memorable game, what year was your son a senior?

Buckley: 1994.

9) With alumni like your son and Coach Wieczorek and his brothers, how does an alumnus look at this rivalry?

Buckley: I think it brings up when they are playing. I know when we played Chaminade the other day, my son wanted to know right away what had happened. The head coach at Chaminade’s son played lacrosse at St. Anthony’s. He wanted to know what happened. And I think what happens is it just burns the fuels from when they were on the field playing against one another. So whether a guy who played just recently graduated or they graduated 30 years ago, it brings back memories in their eyes as to what great experiences they had.

Chaminade vs. St. Anthony's Production Memo by Richard Adragna

As someone with a strong passion for sports, I wanted to stick with it for this class project. Initially, I wanted it to revolve around border wars between a given Nassau high school and a given Suffolk high school. I had contacted Daily News writer Chris Vaccaro, who is a guru in this certain field. When he got back to me with a list of significant rivalries in Long Island high school sports, the very first rivalry at the top of the list was the Chaminade Flyers (located in Mineola) against the St. Anthony’s Friars (situated in South Huntington), both parochial schools. Immediately, it was something I wanted to look at, given its prominence.

The idea of seeing a Chaminade-St. Anthony’s game, especially in boys’ lacrosse, came when I felt that to understand this contest, there should be more than just interviews with coaches and athletic directors. Watching a game in person adds more to what I was planning to do. Sure enough, April 3^rd was the day when the forces collided in Mineola. Pictures and video feeds were abundant, and I got an interview with Bill Basel, Chaminade’s head football coach, prior to it as well. The game, of course, did not disappoint. A few days later, I scored exclusives with St. Anthony’s athletic director Don Buckley, football coach Rich Reichert, and lacrosse coach Keith Wieczorek. All of the gentlemen gave me some great responses.

The sites I found for my project were very helpful with what I wanted to know about Chaminade vs. St. Anthony’s, along with the responses from Mr. Vaccaro to my questions. Judging by his responses, as well as those from the men I sat down with, the games between the schools are always hard-fought and both schools have tremendous amounts of respect for each other.

There were a couple things that were difficult for me in undertaking the project. One of which was trying to score interviews with all of the people I wanted to talk to. As soon as I returned from my Spring Break, both schools started theirs for the Easter holiday. As a result, the schools were closed and I couldn’t get what I wanted. I had to wait for the following week to make contact with all but Mr. Basel, whom I contacted before on his home phone number given to me by Mr. Vaccaro. I wanted some thoughts from Chaminade lacrosse coach Jack Moran and athletic director Don Scarola, leaving them messages. However, with time winding down, I was not able to hear from them and had no choice but to proceed with the production sans their take on the rivalry.

Secondly, trying to fit everything that I learned about the rivalry in two minutes was a really hard task. There was so much that I learned about it and the schools themselves that putting them in a short amount of time sounded very daunting. Then again, I didn’t have to. Not when I could put the generalities about the topic in the video and write about the facts in a few paragraphs.

I learned a great amount from this experience about the broadcasting and online aspects of journalism. As a print journalism major, I hope that such an experience would enable me to add to my repertoire of skills in the journalism field instead of sticking to just one aspect of it.